Sydenham Hill In Old Photos

The History of Sydenham from Cippenham to present day. Links to photos especially welcome!

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Sydenham Hill In Old Photos

Postby Falkor » 17 Jan 2010 20:51

Does anyone have anymore photos they could kindly contribute to this topic? Here's the coverage:
1 Keystone Hoy
2 Ellersbie
3 Chichester Lodge
4 Hurst, The
5 Fernside
6 Southwood
7 The Lodge

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9 Middlemarch
10 Belmont House
11 Rotherwood
12 Dingle, The
13 Woodberry
14 Firs, The
15 Fernwood
16 The Wood
17 Dilkhoosh followed by Rock Hill
18 The Elms
19 Hitherwood preceeded by Rock Hill

20 ?
21 Wavertree
22 Cottage, The
23 Beeches, The
24 Rock House followed by Wells Park Road
25 Hazeldean
26 Thornleigh preceeded by Wells Park Road
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28 Highfield
29 Birchmount
30 Hillthorpe
31 Moss Grange
32 St Mary's Oratory
33 Edenwood
34 Bellevne / Cedars
34A Sydenham Hill House

35 Burleigh House
36 Woodside
37 Birchwood followed by Crescent Wood Road
38 Manor House
39 Dulwich Wood House
40 Pen-y-Bryn
41 Beltwood
42 Uplands
43 Woodlands
44 St Sidwells

45 Oakover
46 Castlebar
47 Bardowie

48 Heathfield followed by Kirkdale and Elliot Bank
49 The Hoo
50 St Clairs preceeded by Kirkdale and Elliot Bank; followed by Sydenham Rise

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53 ?Fernbank?
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55 Beechgrove
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57 Lapsewood
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70 Lordship Lane Station

71 Broughton Lodge
72 Walton Lodge
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74 St Margarets (AKA for Southwood, 12)
75 Grange Court (AKA for Southwood, 12)
76 High Wold (AKA for Keystone Hoy, 1)


37/64 = 58% :twisted:

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Source: Sydenham and Forest Hill Past by John Coulter

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Source: Sydenham and Forest Hill Past by John Coulter

We are all members of the family who lived at St Mary's on Sydenham Hill from 1932 until it was sold and demolished in 1952.
In order to answer a number of queries and inaccuracies we would like to post the following notes.
We are the grandchildren of Mr and Mrs WH Pawley who were the caretakers of St Marys and were employed by the Fathers of the Brompton Oratory in Kensington.
The land was originally acquired by the Fathers of the Brompton Oratory. Father Faber designed the house and gardens . When it was formally opened Cardinal John Henry Newman attended the ceremony.
The House was used as a country retreat for the priests based at the London Oratory. Father Faber wrote many of his famous hymns and poems at St Marys. The house had its own chapel on the top floor of the main house and mass was celebrated here whenever priests were visiting the house. The grounds contained many fine specimen trees which were planted by Father Wilfred Faber. At the Wells Road end of the garden was an enormous pond which was again part of the original design. In later years this was sadly used as a dumping ground for local rubbish.
The cemetry was also situated towards the Wells Road end of the property and was used as a burial place for deceased priests from the Oratory. Coffins would be brought down from London and taken to the main house prior to being taken in procession through the garden to the cemetry. When the house was requisitioned by the LCC, the bodies in the cemetry had to be disintered (by special dispensation from the Catholic Church). The exhumed coffins were often in a very poor state and thus new outer casings were made. All of the deceased were reburied at Gunnersbury Cemetry, in exactly the same configuration. Father Faber's remains were not taken to Gunnersbury but given special memorial in the Oratory in London.
Our family lived in the house and lodge and suffered air raids throughout the Second World War. The house had deep cellars which were used as air raid shelters whenever the sirens sounded.
When the house was sold all of the internal artifacts were removed. More important items, including many books from the library, were taken up to the Oratory in Kensington.


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Postby MartinH » 17 Jan 2010 23:20

Awesome tome !!
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Postby Paxton » 19 Jan 2010 22:17

Ah, Falkor, i loved that...

Brilliant work!

Tell us why the photos of the roadworks!
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Postby Sydenham » 19 Jan 2010 22:19

Falkor - I don't have any photos myself to add to these - but I appreciate your efforts here. Its fascinating / thought provoking looking at familiar views through a sometimes 100 year old or more lens. And admirably catalogued - thanks.
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Postby Tim Lund » 20 Jan 2010 09:54

Awesome indeed. Anyone want to contribute to putting these on a map, e.g. this:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=118018734467353038628.00047d9439594974da68f&ll=51.430534,-0.070059&spn=0.010114,0.020406&t=h&z=16

I've sent invitation to collaborate to Falkor and Steve, and permission them to invite others to collaborate.

Apologies if this is teaching grandmothers to suck eggs, but to add more photo icons, this is what you do:

1. Hit edit
2. Hit the 'Add a placemark' icon
3. Place it at the right location on the google map
4. Enter a title in the window that pops up
5. Select 'Edit HTML' in the line below in the window
6. Right click on Falkor's photo as in this thread, and select 'copy image url'
7. Enter <a href = "[url]"> [the text you want to appear]</a> where [url] is what you paste in from the last step
8. click on the icon selector top right of the window to find the camera icon. BTW - it's not too difficult to produce bespoke icons, if we want something more distinctive.
9. Hit 'OK' or just click away
10. Hit 'Done' in the panel on the left

And you're done. Except that I know this hasn't always worked when I've tried to show people how to do it on their machines - but it's worth a try, and I'd be happy to talk on the phone. PM with any problems
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Postby ALIB » 20 Jan 2010 14:16

Speaking personally, i get transfixed by Falkors postings and get so blown away, i forget to write any acknowledgement or note of gratitude.

The Victorian Folly, perhaps in the grounds of The Hoo. What was The Hoo? was this a large private house ?

So many thanks Falkor. You are much appreciated on STF

I still owe you a few beers the next time you are passing through Sydenham.
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Postby Thomas » 20 Jan 2010 14:40

Good work Falkor - much appreciated.

Interesting to see the leaflet about Hitherwood referring to train services from Sydenham Hill taking 14 minutes to Victoria - these days they still do, but only outside peak hours, on a good day!
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Wow...

Postby jackieboo » 21 Jan 2010 01:12

A marathon read but so interesting and detailed. I recognise so many places...........must be me age LOL. Oh to see some pics of London from the top of Sydenham Hill. I wanted to be able to look over and down and almost craned my neck.!
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Postby Falkor » 23 Jan 2010 19:27

Paxton wrote:Ah, Falkor, i loved that...

Brilliant work!

Tell us why the photos of the roadworks!

I'm glad everyone appreciates my work as a compiler! :) I can't take credit for any of the black and white photos or the many different book sources that have been used, but I feel the most important thing in local history is to gather together all the different sources, combining them to see things in context--gaining a true understanding.

The roadworks goes deeper than local history. Sydenham Hill is an ancient boundary between the parishes of Lewisham and Camberwell. When was it first formed? Does it have a Roman origin? Of course it isn't straight, as it simply follows the ridge of the hill, so the latter is unlikely. The roadworks cut right across the middle of the road, revealing the layers underneath and a rare opportunity to examine them. Unfortunately, I'm not an archaeologist, but the photos may come in handy for future researchers, or if the Lewisham Borough formed an archaeological group in the future, or Time Team ever visited the neighbourhood. Remember: no Roman building foundations have yet been found in Lewisham, BUT the Romans did at least walk across Sydenham Common (included most of Upper Sydenham), as a major Roman artifact was discovered there, which I plan to try and locate soon; perhaps somebody has a high quality photo of this already or knows what museum it's located in?
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Postby Steve Grindlay » 25 Jan 2010 11:52

It seems sensible to start a new thread to deal with Roman remains...
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Postby Chris Doran » 28 Jan 2010 08:54

There's currently a picture of Manor House on Delcampe: http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,80505583,var,Manor-House-Sydenham-Hill-E-26-Photo-Card-Virgin,language,E.html Click on the picture to enlarge.
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Postby Steve Grindlay » 28 Jan 2010 16:36

Oh dear, and I thought it would slip through without anyone else noticing.
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Postby tulse hill terry » 28 Jan 2010 16:48

What this one?

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Well spotted Chris
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Postby Falkor » 30 Jan 2010 11:20

Good find, Chris!^^ I was going to ask if you had found any rare pictures of Beckenham Road/Penge High Street. I think it's okay to discuss Beckenham and Penge on this forum, so I might start a new topic for those neighbouring villages.

BTW off topic again: when are we getting a town sign for Sydenham? :D Is it going to be Green Dragon or coiled Serpent? :lol:
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Postby Ulysses » 30 Jan 2010 12:07

Falkor wrote:Good find, Chris!^^ I was going to ask if you had found any rare pictures of Beckenham Road/Penge High Street. I think it's okay to discuss Beckenham and Penge on this forum, so I might start a new topic for those neighbouring villages.

BTW off topic again: when are we getting a town sign for Sydenham? :D Is it going to be Green Dragon or coiled Serpent? :lol:


I don't see why not with Beckenham. After all, large-ish areas of what is now Sydders were Beckenham about 150 years ago and some of our roads are still in the parish of Beckenham, although now officially Sydders.

I don't feel too much of a connection with Penge though. But 'Pongers' are our nearest if not our dearest.
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Postby Chris Doran » 7 Feb 2010 05:50

Beckenham and Penge are covered pretty well to exhaustion in the photo galleries of Ian's Beckenham History site at http://www.beckenhamhistory.co.uk/galleryintro_new.html He has access to an enormous library of old pictures that dwarf my collection. It would be a challenging, and perhaps superfluous, task to try to emulate his work here.

I am currently gathering material for a Penge History website (to include the nearer parts of Beckenham and a little overlap with Sydenham), but it will take a different form from a photo gallery.
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Postby Falkor » 7 Feb 2010 13:30

Ian has done an amazing job and even inspired me to research the history of Beckenham. His galleries are indeed exhaustive in terms of "photos", but unfortunately, a lot of Penge's history is hidden from the camera and to local historians to the point of ignorance. Illustrations add a completely different side to Penge's history, revealing timber framed buildings that could have possibly gone back to the Medieval times. I think I will start a new topic soon.
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Re: Sydenham Hill In Old Photos

Postby rainedoelberg » 30 Jan 2013 22:29

I have a photo of the back view of 15 Fernwood, pre 1948, are you still wanting photos, if so, how do I get it too you?
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Re: Sydenham Hill In Old Photos

Postby Falkor » 3 Feb 2013 11:01

Hi mate, many thanks indeed for the offer; would be most interested to see how 15 Fernwood looked before post-war development. Have sent you a PM.
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