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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 14 Nov 2017 18:20

mosy wrote:
rustya wrote:Thanks,

I will be sure to get a reply, and publicise it accordingly.
Name and shame them no doubt....

If I may, what are the questions you will ask?



Perhaps for a start:

Why has it taken over eight months and still no decision has yet to be granted?

When do they anticipate a final decision being made?

Has the requested loading bay been given permission?

Are there are other issues that need to be resolved?

Do elected members support the change of use?

Do elected members support Nandos as a business investing in Sydenham town centre?
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Postby Steveofsyd » 14 Nov 2017 20:37

Perhaps
How much are you receiving in “back handers” to stall this project?
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby rustya » 15 Nov 2017 18:02

email reply received...

Thanks for your email.

I'm sorry that you feel disappointed with the Council's handling of this application.

I'm not sure if you are aware that we have supported the principle of change of use here to Nando's, recognising that it would bring vacant units back into active use and hopefully attract greater footfall to this part of the town centre and hopefully spur on regeneration. We were ready to approve the application in May. However, upon sharing the proposed conditions with the applicant, they requested that we postpone issuing the decision so that they could provide details of takeaway use as this would otherwise have been precluded given the site's position on a busy junction. We have been in active discussion with the applicant since then, resulting in further information being submitted up to the 1st November. Highways Officers confirmed last week that they were satisfied with the scheme on the basis of that latest information and mitigation proposed. On that basis I have completed my report today and it is expected that the decision will be issued this week.
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Postby syd » 15 Nov 2017 19:06

rustya wrote:email reply received...

Thanks for your email.

I'm sorry that you feel disappointed with the Council's handling of this application.

I'm not sure if you are aware that we have supported the principle of change of use here to Nando's, recognising that it would bring vacant units back into active use and hopefully attract greater footfall to this part of the town centre and hopefully spur on regeneration. We were ready to approve the application in May. However, upon sharing the proposed conditions with the applicant, they requested that we postpone issuing the decision so that they could provide details of takeaway use as this would otherwise have been precluded given the site's position on a busy junction. We have been in active discussion with the applicant since then, resulting in further information being submitted up to the 1st November. Highways Officers confirmed last week that they were satisfied with the scheme on the basis of that latest information and mitigation proposed. On that basis I have completed my report today and it is expected that the decision will be issued this week.


Woohoo!! Well done to everyone who made the council answer us
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Postby owlwise » 15 Nov 2017 21:09

Looks like it's getting the go-ahead! Yippeee!!!!

Let's do the conga round the Cobb's Corner roundabout!!

Things are looking up for Sydenham at long last :D :D :D
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 16 Nov 2017 09:13

rustya wrote:email reply received...

Thanks for your email.

I'm sorry that you feel disappointed with the Council's handling of this application.

I'm not sure if you are aware that we have supported the principle of change of use here to Nando's, recognising that it would bring vacant units back into active use and hopefully attract greater footfall to this part of the town centre and hopefully spur on regeneration. We were ready to approve the application in May. However, upon sharing the proposed conditions with the applicant, they requested that we postpone issuing the decision so that they could provide details of takeaway use as this would otherwise have been precluded given the site's position on a busy junction. We have been in active discussion with the applicant since then, resulting in further information being submitted up to the 1st November. Highways Officers confirmed last week that they were satisfied with the scheme on the basis of that latest information and mitigation proposed. On that basis I have completed my report today and it is expected that the decision will be issued this week.


Thanks Rustya, I finally got a very similarly worded email yesterday from the planning officer.

I intend to join Owlwise in doing a conga around Cobbs corner when the planning decision notice has finally been issued.
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby rustya » 16 Nov 2017 10:00

This pocket of Sydenham should encourage other units to come in and help lift the area
We need to gain publicity now.
Anyone out there who wants to spread the word IF the approval is granted?
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Postby Likelife » 16 Nov 2017 10:04

Wonderful! Hopefully no more delays. :D

I do hope the graffiti is properly removed from the top of the building too.
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Postby rod taylor » 16 Nov 2017 10:16

Oh happy day! Anything good enough for Gatwick south terminal is good enough for Sydenham.
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Postby monkeyarms » 16 Nov 2017 15:10

I was in Nando's the other day and I threw caution to the wind and went off-piste, ordering chicken livers rather than the usual Churasco Thigh Burger (a comfort-food staple). I was expecting to deeply regret said decision. But they were genuinely delicious, particularly good accompanied by a salad. Reminded me more of good Tuscan rural cuisine than your usual high-street chain fare.
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Re: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 16 Nov 2017 18:43

I have just checked the Council's planning portal and it says planning permission GRANTED!

Well done to all those who have supported the campaign to get the planning permission which will secure major and much needed investment in our town centre.

I will be joining the conga around Cobbs Corner this weekend to celebrate!

Of note there appears to be a growing appetite among residents, particularly on this Forum, about the need to work together to bring about further positive change, which is great.

Very happy for like minded people who are interested in doing this to private message me so we can plan our next course of action!

Those who oppose investment and bringing about change need not apply!
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Re: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby rod taylor » 16 Nov 2017 19:39

prince wrote:Of note there appears to be a growing appetite among residents, particularly on this Forum, about the need to work together to bring about further positive change, which is great.

Very happy for like minded people who are interested in doing this to private message me so we can plan our next course of action!

Those who oppose investment and bringing about change need not apply!


How is your organisation going to work then Prince? If you oppose a Nando’s that doesn’t mean you are against investment and change.

If I wanted to retain the gas holders and attract a theatre to Sydenham but opposed a Nando’s would I be kicked out of the club? What if I actively campaigned to have the Greyhound rebuilt when work had stalled but I’m against a Cafe Nero? What if I preferred a vegan cafe to a McDonalds?

Wouldn’t it be better for this group to meet on a case by case basis? Otherwise it would be too easy to say that anyone who disagrees about the type of investment needed was simply opposed to investment and change.

And that would be a facile thing to say.
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Re: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby Likelife » 16 Nov 2017 19:48

prince wrote:I have just checked the Council's planning portal and it says planning permission GRANTED!

Well done to all those who have supported the campaign to get the planning permission which will secure major and much needed investment in our town centre.

I will be joining the conga around Cobbs Corner this weekend to celebrate!

Of note there appears to be a growing appetite among residents, particularly on this Forum, about the need to work together to bring about further positive change, which is great.

Very happy for like minded people who are interested in doing this to private message me so we can plan our next course of action!

Those who oppose investment and bringing about change need not apply!


I had to check it myself! Can't believe anything these days with all these Russian bots :lol: In all seriousness, thank you to those who supported it and those who got on their case!

I'd gladly be involved wherever I can. I'm a student who recently realised I actually want to go into planning/urban development instead of IR...
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Postby syd » 17 Nov 2017 07:36

prince wrote:I have just checked the Council's planning portal and it says planning permission GRANTED!

Well done to all those who have supported the campaign to get the planning permission which will secure major and much needed investment in our town centre.

I will be joining the conga around Cobbs Corner this weekend to celebrate!

Of note there appears to be a growing appetite among residents, particularly on this Forum, about the need to work together to bring about further positive change, which is great.

Very happy for like minded people who are interested in doing this to private message me so we can plan our next course of action!

Those who oppose investment and bringing about change need not apply!


Round of applause for Prince! This is such great news hopefully more investment will follow
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby JMLF » 17 Nov 2017 08:28

Brilliant news regardless of your opinion on Nando's and whether you intend to use or not.

I know it's been said many times but as a whole for the community I think a Nando's (or anything remotely similar) will be of far more use to far more people than a wedding shop (previous usage) or an empty unit. In addition, Nando's doesn't look like a mess from the outside and is pretty popular which again I think will only add to the area. Additionally I can definitely see it having some benefit, even if small, on the shops in the vicinity (blue mountain, inkwa tattoo, sugar hill, the greyhound) for those who don't tend to go to that side of the station but are drawn to a Nando's!

On a side note, something some people may benefit from and be unaware of is a 20% discount up to £20 for anyone working for any emergency services, NHS (woohoo me!) and military.

Happy Friday all.
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Postby Pat Trembath » 17 Nov 2017 15:02

It would appear we are still awaiting an unconditional permission.

Attached to the permission is a clause (as I read it):

(a) No development approved under this permission shall commence until details of the following works to the highway (including drawings and specifications) have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority: (i) the provision of a loading bay on Spring Hill; (ii) the provision of 10 cycle parking spaces on the footpath in the vicinity of the site. (b) The A3 use hereby approved shall not be first operated until the highways works referred to in paragraph (a) of this condition have been implemented in accordance with the details approved under the said paragraph (a). Reason: In order to ensure that satisfactory means of servicing is provided, to ensure that the development does not prejudice the free flow of traffic or conditions of general safety along the neighbouring highway and to comply with Policy 14 Sustainable movement and transport of the Core Strategy (June 2011). This is a precommencement condition because the local planning authority needs to be satisfied that the proposed and required Highways Works necessary to facilitate the development can be satisfactorily designed and provided before the use commences.

So it would appear that further approval following sumissions to Highways and permissions is required and it is, and has been since May, up to Nando's to supply this information.

Originally, as I understood it, Nando's wanted a 40 ft designated parking place in Springhill for a rigid 11m delivery vehicle. Not sure if this has changed - but if not, how does such a vehicle get into and out of Springhill when it is busy?

It would also appear that discussions are ongoing about where to park 10 cycles 'on the footpath' for the take away.

The Sydenham Society welcomed a change of use to A3 (restaurant) to this site last May, but we still await the outcome of this discussion between Nando's and Lewisham which is ongoing.
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 17 Nov 2017 19:02

Pat Trembath wrote:It would appear we are still awaiting an unconditional permission.

Attached to the permission is a clause (as I read it):

(a) No development approved under this permission shall commence until details of the following works to the highway (including drawings and specifications) have been submitted to and approved in writing by the local planning authority: (i) the provision of a loading bay on Spring Hill; (ii) the provision of 10 cycle parking spaces on the footpath in the vicinity of the site. (b) The A3 use hereby approved shall not be first operated until the highways works referred to in paragraph (a) of this condition have been implemented in accordance with the details approved under the said paragraph (a). Reason: In order to ensure that satisfactory means of servicing is provided, to ensure that the development does not prejudice the free flow of traffic or conditions of general safety along the neighbouring highway and to comply with Policy 14 Sustainable movement and transport of the Core Strategy (June 2011). This is a precommencement condition because the local planning authority needs to be satisfied that the proposed and required Highways Works necessary to facilitate the development can be satisfactorily designed and provided before the use commences.

So it would appear that further approval following sumissions to Highways and permissions is required and it is, and has been since May, up to Nando's to supply this information.

Originally, as I understood it, Nando's wanted a 40 ft designated parking place in Springhill for a rigid 11m delivery vehicle. Not sure if this has changed - but if not, how does such a vehicle get into and out of Springhill when it is busy?

It would also appear that discussions are ongoing about where to park 10 cycles 'on the footpath' for the take away.

The Sydenham Society welcomed a change of use to A3 (restaurant) to this site last May, but we still await the outcome of this discussion between Nando's and Lewisham which is ongoing.



Sorry I think you are misunderstanding matters and I think things have moved on.

Yes, the local planning authority has granted planning permission subject to a number of conditions, however this is not at all unusual for the vast majority of permissions have conditions.

The consent approves a range of documents including a servicing plan and transport technical note.

The approved documents include agreement for and location of a 12m loading bay on Spring Hill and additional cycle bays on Kirkdale.

The highways team have agreed all of this and as such all the conditions are doing is seeking agreement on the exact details in terms of specifications, things like the type of cycle stands etc.

I do appreciate your concern about deliveries, however Sainsburys currently manage to negotiate Spring Hill don’t they and they use the same sized vehicles as Nandos. The information supplied by the applicant also clearly demonstrates how a delivery vehicle will service the site by way of computer ‘tracking’ which has also been agreed by the highways team.

As I have said before the provision of a loading bay located in Spring Hill will be suitable for use not only by Nandos but also will also benefit other local businesses. It is supported by both Sainsburys and your favourite the Greyhound for it will be convenient for them to load from.

I hope that this helps to clarify matters. I know for a fact that you were concerned about such issues, for you actually wrote a letter of objection on behalf of the Sydenham Society in April, which the Chair subsequently withdrew in June.

I also know from having spoken to you that you don’t like Nandos and you said that you would much prefer a business like Pizza Express.

However what you need to appreciate is that businesses like Pizza Express and like Sainsburys, have large delivery vehicles. The vast majority of restaurants provide takeaways, just like ours in Sydenham. Also businesses like Pizza Express and many other use delivery services like Deliveroo – which is catering for changing consumer habits.

What is clear to me is that while some people won’t go and eat in Nandos, a great many of our local residents welcome a family friendly restaurant in the town centre, that will bring a large vacant premises back into use, create new jobs and attract further investment.

We also live in a very diverse community and I think the town needs to cater for everyone not just the few.
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby The Clown » 17 Nov 2017 19:08

Hungry and excited - my first ever Nando’s will be in this restaurant!
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Postby rod taylor » 17 Nov 2017 20:27

prince wrote:We also live in a very diverse community and I think the town needs to cater for everyone not just the few.


What bilge. You have no more idea that a Nandos reflects the needs of everyone than I do! What are basing this on? Has there been some consumer surveying going on Prince?

Equally, in what sense are you bringing in diversity? What does that even mean? In the racial sense???
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Postby prince » 17 Nov 2017 20:40

rod taylor wrote:
prince wrote:We also live in a very diverse community and I think the town needs to cater for everyone not just the few.


What bilge. You have no more idea that a Nandos reflects the needs of everyone than I do! What are basing this on? Has there been some consumer surveying going on Prince?

Equally, in what sense are you bringing in diversity? What does that even mean? In the racial sense???


Yawn. Read what I said. We need a diversity of offer to meet the needs of a diverse community.
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