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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby mosy » 24 Oct 2017 13:57

<--- What leenewham said about the Vape Shop. However, why criticise a vape shop if it helps people stop tobacco smoking? The shop itself looks smart, as shops go, and I'll be pleased if it does well as I imagine it will have a huge amount of online competition.

Back on Nando's, if the issue has boiled down to a loading bay length, can anyone find the plans please? I'm sure I read a comprehensive set (linked somewhere in these 17 pages) which included a detailed report assuring that they met all legally required staff and customer parking conditions. I'm trying to see for myself on a map why the extra 2 metres is apparently being considered a red line in planning terms. Ta.
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby leenewham » 24 Oct 2017 15:23

mosy wrote:<--- What leenewham said about the Vape Shop. However, why criticise a vape shop if it helps people stop tobacco smoking?


I didn't criticise it, that was someone else. I only said that planning couldn't do anything about it opening as it wasn't change of use. I've nothing against a vape shop in a high street.
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Postby butters » 24 Oct 2017 16:22

leenewham wrote:
mosy wrote:<--- What leenewham said about the Vape Shop. However, why criticise a vape shop if it helps people stop tobacco smoking?


I didn't criticise it, that was someone else. I only said that planning couldn't do anything about it opening as it wasn't change of use. I've nothing against a vape shop in a high street.


That was me. I am not against a vape shop, and yes it looks nice, but without treading too far into libelous territory, I fail to see how a shop on a high street can exist with no customers, unless it was merely a front for something else.....
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby mosy » 24 Oct 2017 17:51

butters: Yes, I was replying to you about the vape shop having endorsed what leenwham said. Apols for any confusion.

Maybe the vape shop is a "high street name presence" to encourage their online or phone trade. Many online shops deem that worthwhile, e.g. bookies as the most obvious example. You or I could just ask them. The thread point though is still about granting Nando's permission to go ahead...
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Re: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 27 Oct 2017 16:46

parker wrote:
syd wrote:We seem to be building a head of steam on this one. Some people have questions to answer. Can someone contact the Cllr for a response?

For those that do not know, if you want your voice heard you should be contacting all three of our councillors.

Chris Best
cllr_chris.best@lewisham.gov.uk
020 8676 9516

Liam Curran
cllr_liam.curran@lewisham.gov.uk
020 8314 6937

Rachel Onikosi
cllr_rachel.onikosi@lewisham.gov.uk
020 8314 9957



Just wondering whether anyone else has written to their local councillors about this?

Cllr Best has kindly responded to my emails, however despite writing to Cllr Curran three times and twice to Cllr Onikosi I have not received a response from either.

I am sure everyone doesn't need reminding that 301-303 Kirkdale is one of the largest units in the town centre that currently sits empty, alongside the large unit that KFH was supposedly seeking to occupy and of course the former Coop store.

I personally really don't understand how in light of three of the largest units in the town centre being vacant and an increasing number of smaller units becoming empty, that more doesn't seem to be being done to encourage investment.

A good start might be to approve an application for a company who is waiting in the wings (33 weeks and still no decision)!

Or are we all content to just wait and leave them vacant until such time as they are filled by the likes of M&S, Waitrose and some upmarket deli, for if we are, we might be waiting for quite some time!
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Postby Steveofsyd » 29 Oct 2017 14:04

Anyone have connections with our local papers or Evening Standard? Possibly pick up the story of what vested interest the council has in objecting?
Is there anything criminal going on as I see no real reason to object to something that will benefit the area commercially as well as providing a great place for families to go.

I’m just pointing out the elephant in the room
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 31 Oct 2017 17:45

Eight months and counting and yet still no decision from the Local planning authority on what should be a simple change of use.

This is now four times longer than it should take to determine the application.
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Postby syd » 12 Nov 2017 12:22

prince wrote:Eight months and counting and yet still no decision from the Local planning authority on what should be a simple change of use.

This is now four times longer than it should take to determine the application.


Well this is now expected. I'll contact Nando's for some info and send it to Cllr Best.
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Postby prince » 13 Nov 2017 09:49

syd wrote:
prince wrote:Eight months and counting and yet still no decision from the Local planning authority on what should be a simple change of use.

This is now four times longer than it should take to determine the application.


Well this is now expected. I'll contact Nando's for some info and send it to Cllr Best.


Hi Syd,

I have contacted Nandos and they are as much in the dark as we are. It is very frustrating that the planning officer does not respond to correspondence about this and nor do two of our locally elected ward members. To be fair Cllr Chris Best has responded. The last correspondence was three weeks ago when she said officers were working hard to try and resolve this issue.
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Postby syd » 13 Nov 2017 12:55

prince wrote:
syd wrote:
prince wrote:Eight months and counting and yet still no decision from the Local planning authority on what should be a simple change of use.

This is now four times longer than it should take to determine the application.


Well this is now expected. I'll contact Nando's for some info and send it to Cllr Best.


Hi Syd,

I have contacted Nandos and they are as much in the dark as we are. It is very frustrating that the planning officer does not respond to correspondence about this and nor do two of our locally elected ward members. To be fair Cllr Chris Best has responded. The last correspondence was three weeks ago when she said officers were working hard to try and resolve this issue.


Hey thanks for the update Prince. It's outrageous that this could be held up for so long, something stinks. And when I read about the social cleansing of Deptford and the complete lack of interest in Sydenham, Lewisham councillors have got away with too much for too long.
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Postby stuart » 13 Nov 2017 14:00

syd wrote:Hey thanks for the update Prince. It's outrageous that this could be held up for so long, something stinks. And when I read about the social cleansing of Deptford and the complete lack of interest in Sydenham, Lewisham councillors have got away with too much for too long.

Well you either infiltrate the Sydenham Labour Party and replace them, or get another party to beat them - or you have to work with them however imperfect.

I prefer the latter. Perhaps I'm not just not ambitious enough. And if you really wish to change their minds or open up options - is insulting them a smart move? - you might expect the same response as when you criticise your partner's driving.

I was going to start a new thread Sydenham, Paradise Lost? Well I might just do that when I've come up with a solution. I'm still struggling. Its much easier to criticise others.

Stuart
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Postby Likelife » 13 Nov 2017 14:52

stuart wrote:
syd wrote:Hey thanks for the update Prince. It's outrageous that this could be held up for so long, something stinks. And when I read about the social cleansing of Deptford and the complete lack of interest in Sydenham, Lewisham councillors have got away with too much for too long.

Well you either infiltrate the Sydenham Labour Party and replace them, or get another party to beat them - or you have to work with them however imperfect.

I prefer the latter. Perhaps I'm not just not ambitious enough. And if you really wish to change their minds or open up options - is insulting them a smart move? - you might expect the same response as when you criticise your partner's driving.

I was going to start a new thread Sydenham, Paradise Lost? Well I might just do that when I've come up with a solution. I'm still struggling. Its much easier to criticise others.

Stuart


The pretending to be Essex, London Borough of Havering has the Havering Residents Association and the East Havering Residents Association. The politics is bizarre there however, they are a powerful force in the Borough Council, with 24 councillors being part the Associations or Independent, whilst in Lewisham 53 out of 54 are Labour. A version for the Lewisham and Bromley wards of Sydenham or Borough wide versions isn't impossible. In fact, with the right publicity, it could have a massive impact.

There's me thinking big again :roll: :lol:
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby Pally » 13 Nov 2017 15:01

Planning officers not responding could just be because of complete overload and understaffing I suppose - cutbacks in Local Authorities biting!!
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 13 Nov 2017 18:14

Pally wrote:Planning officers not responding could just be because of complete overload and understaffing I suppose - cutbacks in Local Authorities biting!!



I work for a local authority Pally and we have 10 working days to respond to requests from residents. I am currently managing four major regeneration areas and I always manage to respond within this timeframe.

I also don't think there is any excuse for our democratically elected local councillors not to respond to questions by residents. What are they elected for otherwise?
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby rustya » 13 Nov 2017 18:29

Can it be made public the email address for other residents to follow up and apply pressure to get clarification and ideally a resolution this side of Xmas ?
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby Pally » 13 Nov 2017 18:47

prince wrote:
Pally wrote:Planning officers not responding could just be because of complete overload and understaffing I suppose - cutbacks in Local Authorities biting!!



I work for a local authority Pally and we have 10 working days to respond to requests from residents. I am currently managing four major regeneration areas and I always manage to respond within this timeframe.

I also don't think there is any excuse for our democratically elected local councillors not to respond to questions by residents. What are they elected for otherwise?


I agree. My comment was only linked to that (understaffing) as a possibility rather than anything sinister. Having said that, comments earlier in the thread seemed to suggest that someone (no idea who !) is deliberately blocking in order to get "something more suitable"!!! I haven't trawled back to find the comment but am still pondering on who that is supposed to be .
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 14 Nov 2017 16:31

rustya wrote:Can it be made public the email address for other residents to follow up and apply pressure to get clarification and ideally a resolution this side of Xmas ?



Hi Rustya,

Best email the local councillors first.

Chris Best
cllr_chris.best@lewisham.gov.uk
020 8676 9516

Liam Curran
cllr_liam.curran@lewisham.gov.uk
020 8314 6937

Rachel Onikosi
cllr_rachel.onikosi@lewisham.gov.uk
020 8314 9957

You could also contact the planning officer Suzanne White

Suzanne.White@lewisham.gov.uk
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Postby rustya » 14 Nov 2017 16:52

Thanks,

I will be sure to get a reply, and publicise it accordingly.
Name and shame them no doubt....
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby mosy » 14 Nov 2017 17:50

rustya wrote:Thanks,

I will be sure to get a reply, and publicise it accordingly.
Name and shame them no doubt....

If I may, what are the questions you will ask?
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Re: sticky: RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

Postby prince » 14 Nov 2017 18:20

mosy wrote:
rustya wrote:Thanks,

I will be sure to get a reply, and publicise it accordingly.
Name and shame them no doubt....

If I may, what are the questions you will ask?



Perhaps for a start:

Why has it taken over eight months and still no decision has yet to be granted?

When do they anticipate a final decision being made?

Has the requested loading bay been given permission?

Are there are other issues that need to be resolved?

Do elected members support the change of use?

Do elected members support Nandos as a business investing in Sydenham town centre?
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