RUMOURS: CINEMA AND NANDOS COMING TO SYDENHAM

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Post by Sydenhamman » 18 Nov 2017 20:29

If you are so concerned about the potential impact on obesity Rod, why did you not write in to object to the planning application? You had more than ample time - eight months in fact, rather than raise it as an issue now, when planning permission has been granted.

For information, the planning officers report said there was only one letter of objection - one from the Sydenham Society, which was subsequently withdrawn, and nine letters in support.

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Post by Sydenham » 18 Nov 2017 20:45

Thanks Pat for clarifying the involvement (not really "active") of the Sydenham Society in the ongoing Nandos application. Good to clarify.

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Post by syd » 18 Nov 2017 21:01

prince wrote:
appletree wrote:This hysteria over obesity is simply bizarre given the type of restaurant Nando's is and what else is on offer in the area, about which no fit is being thrown.

People who don't want to eat there don't have to. But don't make up spurious objections.
There have been so many spurious objections in relation to this application appletree, which have been highlighted in this thread previously.

Anyhow to part some good news, for those of us who want this to happen, is that I spoke to the Head of Acquisitions last week and they informed me that the landlord needs to do some work before they can start, however they think their fit out will take about 3 - 4 months to complete.

So what with Christmas, landlord works and everything else, my best estimate will be a summer 2018 opening.
Woohoo!! Great work on this one Prince!

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Post by Likelife » 18 Nov 2017 21:53

rod taylor wrote:
Likelife wrote:Most young people in Sydenham when going for a meal don't think to go to the Italian restaurant, even if it is affordable, because of a perception it's for "proper adults" and maybe families. They (we), go Beckenham or elsewhere for a meal because there isn't a restaurant aimed at the teenage-young adult market here. That's how it's making it (Sydenham) diverse.


Which is precisely the very demographic that shouldn't be eating in Nandos.

If we are focussing on young people; children living in the most deprived communities (and Lewisham is the 48th most deprived borough in the country) are twice as likely to be obese or overweight as those in the least deprived for both age groups measured. 39.3% of children in Year 6 have excess weight (including 24.8% who are obese). Only 44% of adults meet the 5 a day for fruit and vegetables which is lower than the national average.

There are 53,000 obese adults in Lewisham - a rate of 61.2%, however, a concern is that GP Practices in Lewisham are notably under-reporting obesity. But this is a particularly an issue for the 'diverse' demographics you mention Likelife, because a number of black and minority ethnic groups are at higher risk of complications related to obesity such as Type 2 Diabetes.

Nando's food is higher in both calories and sugar than KFC. There are more calories in Nandos chips. Nando's chicken is packed with saturated fat.

So, there you go: calories, sugar, saturated fat. In fact how much is a Nandos in Sydenham going to undermine Lewisham's own strategy to tackle obesity? Well here is a project done in Bonus Pastor Catholic College in Downham - Lewisham's first Sugar Smart Secondary School.

* food technology lessons for Year 7 and 8 students, schemes of work to promote the benefits of healthy choices.
* outside experts to model healthy cooking and menus and develop a buzz around health.
* a healthy schools week.
* student voice and student council – taking on and leading on healthy eating and drinking following their own produced audit and survey.
* use of professional role models to advise on their own experiences.
* display and promotion around the school of healthy foods and drinks.

And you want to undermine all of this, Likelife, for a restaurant 'aimed' at the teenage market - that actually targets children with the very food that is causing them harm?

https://www.lewisham.gov.uk/myservices/ ... 6Final.pdf
Right, as someone from a Black Caribbean background, I fully know the implications of Type 2 diabetes throughout my culture. I'm incredibly slim because of a very high metabolism, but for various reasons am fully aware of what I eat and drink.
Obviously, I've grown up around Caribbean eating habits, I fully know the causes of our health problems - it isn't Nando's or Morley's. It's the way we prepare our food (salt via packeted seasonings) and the amount of sugar (in food and drinks) we consume. On average, Caribbean families (if it can be afforded) make home cooked dinners with big portions almost every day and actually look down on the ready meals in supermarkets. A good example is we'd never buy a mac and cheese ready meal - we'll always make it ourselves. Additionally, whilst the Caribbean has a massive abundance of fruit and veg, we literally eat have sugar cane as a treat in the Caribbean. Furthermore, in the Caribbean community, being slim is often not actually looked upon as "desirable".

All of this: too much salt and sugar have caused high blood pressure and diabetes, both in the Caribbean and in the diaspora. No school education is going to change that, simply because in schools they are not teaching Caribbean food. We a very stubborn and proud people. People from outside our culture can't drag us from our food or make us change. The Caribbean community needs to realise, we ourselves, need to buy the ingredients to our seasonings and marinades fresh instead of in packets which have far too much salt in it, which are made by companies that have no Caribbean connections.

This idea that somehow poor black people get takeaways all the time is nonsense. In a Caribbean household if you don't have much money, then go spend £10+ on Nando's you'll never hear the end of it. On the other hand, if you do have money and buy Nando's all the time, you'll still never hear the end of it "why you building up their business when there's food at home". After school, you may very well get the regulars in Morley's but they and the parents know exactly how unhealthy it is. I fully agree that is bad, but they need to take responsibility for their actions instead of saying that Nando's shouldn't open because of a few and it is a few can't eat in moderation.

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Post by monkeyarms » 19 Nov 2017 15:00

I don't understand how you can object to a Nandos on health reasons, but approve of the Greyhound returning as a pub?

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Post by JayB » 19 Nov 2017 16:55

monkeyarms wrote:I don't understand how you can object to a Nandos on health reasons, but approve of the Greyhound returning as a pub?
Very well said monkeyarms, and to the tiresome local pub debate we can add in oh so many alcohol related health issues as well as the empty calories. I assume they'll be selling food as well as ever so healthy bar snacks like crisps and pork scratchings! These objections to Nandos on health grounds seem entirely spurious.

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Post by Jimmeh » 19 Nov 2017 20:42

An obese person does not need to eat at Nando’s. It’s not written into law or any type of constitution.

So why this hysteria?

I was overweight, although not obese. Am now considered a healthy weight. I know the difference between eating in a Nando’s and eating something cooked at home with ingredients I know, with portions I control. It’s down to self discipline. Why should those who want such an establishment suffer because of ill discipline of others?

For the record, I welcome Nando’s. I welcome anything half decent that fills an empty space.
That doesn’t mean to say I will eat there, I likely shan’t.

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Post by Jimmeh » 19 Nov 2017 21:39

I haven’t seen anyone say you can’t object. It’s a forum, a place for discussion.

Thats not to say that everyone, or anyone, has to agree with you.

One can choose not to eat somewhere which might or might not cause them to put on weight. Instead, they could choose to eat somewhere else which might or might not serve healthier food, or they could choose to eat at home.
Or, one could choose to go to Nando’s and order just one course which comes in at a reasonable 550 calories, which compared to a pizza from Trattoia Raffaele, is likely ‘better’ for you.

So the point is, regardless of the choice of restaurants on a high street or in a town centre, there will be meals that can be ordered which will be considered unhealthy.
Ultimately, the individual ordering the food is responsible for what goes into their mouth.

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Post by appletree » 20 Nov 2017 09:49

I know what spurious means; that's why I used it. I don't believe this is your reason for opposing Nando's.

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Post by Parker1970 » 20 Nov 2017 10:43

I can't help but think that this obesity issue (and Yes Rod, I do agree that it is an issue generically) is being a little over-exaggerated in respect of a Nando's in Sydenham.

It is a "mid-price" menu, so whilst it is an affordable restaurant, it is still not going to be somewhere people visit more than once a week, if that. The issue with obesity is "fast-food" restaurants like KFC but also the sweets, crisps, fizzy drinks etc that we see everywhere. A meal for 2 at Nando's is likely going to be somewhere around £20-£25 and an hour to an hour and a half sitting down and socialising with someone, a meal for 2 in KFC is £8, usually eaten on the move or in the car on the way to or from a pub where you have been drinking for several hours.

Syndenham's obesity rate is hardly likely to spike because a Nando's opens. What it could do is bring more people into the area who may then discover some of our excellent and unique retail/cafe outlets and more businesses into the area that are hopefully not yet another estate agent.

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Post by Jimmeh » 20 Nov 2017 11:25

rod taylor wrote: Of course people have the option of not eating in Nandos. But the difference between Nandos and the Greyhound is that the Greyhound is not specifically advertised to, and aimed at, families and children - all of whom, I assume, can avail themselves of a bottomless glass of coke.
Again, such families can choose to have refills of Diet Coke, or tap water. Again, there is a choice, even in the worst of restaurants, to go for the healthy (or healthier) option.

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Post by parker » 20 Nov 2017 12:21

Rod, if we could somehow arrange the errection of a statue that’s an exact replicar of yourself holding an apple in the centre of the Cobbs Corner roundabout, would that be a good enough compromise for you in light of the Nando’s outcome?

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Post by prince » 21 Nov 2017 19:09

Latest from Nandos. They think that they should be opening around Summer next year and are promising "an amazing place!" :D

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Post by parker » 21 Nov 2017 21:16

prince wrote:Latest from Nandos. They think that they should be opening around Summer next year and are promising "an amazing place!" :D
Great news. Hopefully by summer they mean April :lol:
The important part is over, don’t really mind how long it takes as long as it happens.

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Post by prince » 22 Nov 2017 08:50

parker wrote:
prince wrote:Latest from Nandos. They think that they should be opening around Summer next year and are promising "an amazing place!" :D
Great news. Hopefully by summer they mean April :lol:
The important part is over, don’t really mind how long it takes as long as it happens.
Hi Parker,

I think April is a little too optimistic, whatever we might hope for!

I intend to keep in touch with Nandos and update the Forum as and when there are any updates and to ensure that there no further delays in this.

Best

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Post by rustya » 30 Dec 2017 14:43

Any news on this proposal ?

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Post by prince » 31 Dec 2017 12:00

rustya wrote:Any news on this proposal ?
Hi,

Nandos informed me before Christmas that they are currently in the process of submitting information to discharge their planning conditions. The landlord also needs to undertake some work to the premises which they said should be early in the New Year.

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Post by syd » 31 Dec 2017 17:06

prince wrote:
rustya wrote:Any news on this proposal ?
Hi,

Nandos informed me before Christmas that they are currently in the process of submitting information to discharge their planning conditions. The landlord also needs to undertake some work to the premises which they said should be early in the New Year.
Hey Prince,

Happy New year mate and congrats on getting this sorted.

Syd

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Post by SydenhamOwl » 15 Jan 2018 15:22

Hope this is all ticking along nicely and no more stumbling blocks. When can I get my peri peri chips?

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Post by robbieduncan » 15 Jan 2018 18:02

SydenhamOwl wrote:Hope this is all ticking along nicely and no more stumbling blocks. When can I get my peri peri chips?
Right now if you like. The dreaded Bell Green Sainsbury’s sell potatoes (or frozen chips) and Nando’s peri peri salt!

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