Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

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JRobinson
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Re: Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

Post by JRobinson » 19 Jul 2018 09:55

JGD wrote:...

The reply also refers to "raised strong feelings by members of the public and elected members of the Council".

No strong feelings exist with members of the public who are Bellingham Ward residents about the possible retention of the structures - they see these ribs as an eyesore that are a blight and are over dominant in our eye-line from our properties and seek their demolition at the earliest.
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Is that a fact? or is that just your opinion? Have you asked all of the residents in Bellingham Ward?

you personally might not like them (that's an understatement - you clearly hate them, and want them got rid), but as far as I'm aware you are not an elected representative of Bellingham Ward.

what's the point in having planning rules, and regulations, and processes in place, if decisions are then made based on the opinions of those who shout the loudest and most often?

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Re: Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

Post by JGD » 19 Jul 2018 11:08

JRobinson wrote:

Is that a fact? or is that just your opinion? Have you asked all of the residents in Bellingham Ward?

you personally might not like them (that's an understatement - you clearly hate them, and want them got rid), but as far as I'm aware you are not an elected representative of Bellingham Ward.

what's the point in having planning rules, and regulations, and processes in place, if decisions are then made based on the opinions of those who shout the loudest and most often?
JRobinson

It is highly improbable that anyone has spoken to all of the residents of Bellingham Ward. Have You ? I have also attended Bellingham Ward assemblies and at the last one questioned elected members about their position on the recent rejection and the impact of the loss of the benefits. The reply was not absolute silence - but it was far from coherent.

I have never hated the structures - it is futile to hate - especially an inanimate object. I have commented before about the futility of others trying to second-guess what or how I think beyond what I write..

Our household did not have any strong views about the gas holders in fact . It remained that way until after we had engaged in the consultation phase with SGN and Kier's when it became obvious to us that several parties outside our Ward were intent upon enforcing a position that would have the sole intent of retaining these structures. Using an historic context that our national body, who are the subject-matter experts, had rejected.

And to find that it was doing so without significant consultation or meaningful presence within Bellingham Ward. Subsequently we and our neighbours find that the position of these parties was not to be persuaded that benefits of the original proposal would be eliminated by a planning rejection and were deemed not to have any value by these parties. The strength of feeling around this realisation lead to me having a firm change in direction. As the volume of self-justification from these same parties got louder it only served to increase our resolve

So given that we live in a rules based society it was recognisable to those of us who were being dis-benefited, that planning rules were being bent out of shape by those parties advocating retention of the gas holders.

Examples are:
  • After approx a year of Planning Officers time consulting with Kier on the development of their proposal, elected members set the recommendation aside and rejected the application. What a waste of Council resource.

    In advance of the Planning Committee meeting these parties rushed a local listing through on an emergency basis. This was done without the mandated notices being issued to neighbours. This was revealed by Planning Officers themselves reporting that they had not conformed to process.

    Planning rules, regulations and processes, opaque or otherwise, are essential. Decisions have been made by elected members and Planning Officers with delegated authority strictly in accordance with these rules whilst not necessarily in full compliance with due process.

    I am not sure what you mean especially if you think decisions are then made based on the opinions of those who shout the loudest.. Whilst I am aware of the bending of these rules by the parties solely focused on the retention of the gas holders (an example of which was the endeavour made by Cllr Tom Copley) , no-one to date has shouted at me. Nor do I recommend it - it would be a waste of time and effort.

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Re: Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

Post by TredownMan » 22 Jul 2018 08:37

“These Streets Belong to Us.”

What a curious name. I’d be keen to know who is “us”, which are the streets and in what sense they “belong”.

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Re: Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

Post by parker » 22 Jul 2018 11:37

Why do Bellingham residents need a say, they’re the other side of the bridge. If it was a planning application for the site of the current Lidl on Southend Lane I wouldn’t expect Lower Sydenham/Bell Green residents to get a look-in on planning.

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Re: Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

Post by JGD » 22 Jul 2018 12:32

The gas holders sit in Bellingham Ward.

Bellingham Ward boundaries extend to "the other side of the bridge" as you describe it and also embrace the homes to the west of the railway and further more in a peculiar little bulge the boundary crosses onto the west side of Perry Hill at the Houston Road junction all the way down to Lescombe Road junction adding a further 20+ homes to the ward on that western strip (I am in that little bulge).

So it is all Bellingham Ward. A contiguously interesting and diverse ward both geographically and demographically. Nothing at ll to do with Sydenham Lower, Middle, Upper or otherwise.

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Re: Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

Post by JRW » 22 Jul 2018 13:13

My home is just inside Sydenham ward, but the gasholders are only a few streets away, and I see them constantly. The eccentricities of ward boundaries mean nothing, it is proximity to at matters. Bellingham ward stretches to opposite Catford station, so I fail to see why their residents have some kind of moral authority. This is just another attempt to steamroller over other people's right to an opinion.

Please remember also, that the stretch of Sydenham Road below the Kent House junction used to be called 'Bell Green', and is split between the wards. Bell green is historically and effectively part of Sydenham. Bellingham was invented as a place in the 20th century, and wards are drawn up to provide equal electoral representation. Surely we have enough trouble with teenagers pursuing postcode wars, without alleged adults banging on about it too.

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Re: Bell Green Gasometers – A Compromise

Post by parker » 22 Jul 2018 16:13

JGD wrote:The gas holders sit in Bellingham Ward.

Bellingham Ward boundaries extend to "the other side of the bridge" as you describe it and also embrace the homes to the west of the railway and further more in a peculiar little bulge the boundary crosses onto the west side of Perry Hill at the Houston Road junction all the way down to Lescombe Road junction adding a further 20+ homes to the ward on that western strip (I am in that little bulge).

So it is all Bellingham Ward. A contiguously interesting and diverse ward both geographically and demographically. Nothing at ll to do with Sydenham Lower, Middle, Upper or otherwise.
Thanks, I stand corrected

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