Consultation on Proposal to Close Silverdale/Bishopsthorpe Road to traffic

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Parker1970
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Re: Consultation on Proposal to Close Silverdale/Bishopsthorpe Road to traffic

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Jacks wrote:
30 Jul 2020 18:22
Parker1970 wrote:
30 Jul 2020 12:43
Mayowthorpe wrote:
30 Jul 2020 12:09
For all those complaining about the additional traffic on Sydenham Road and Mayow Road - the whole point is to encourage people to walk or cycle rather than drive. If you don't like being stuck in your car, think of the alternatives.
My alternative would be...
Train to Clapham Junction
wait for connecting train
Train to Willesden Junciton
wait for connecting train
Bakerloo Line to Stonebridge park
20 min walk to office.
(Around 2 hours in total)

That's not much of an alternative sadly, nor could I cycle from South East to North West London.
The alternative is for me to move home, which I really don't want to do as my family are all in South London.
Your journey will far improve with fewer cars on the road as more people who can walk or cycle.

Have you considered, for days you may not wish to drive (everyone needs a day without a car occasionally!) going through central London? You can get toStonebridge Park From sydenham station in an hour and 10, even quicker if you cycled to penge east and got the train from there! And the simplest option would be bike/walk to lower sydenham and go straight into Waterloo and pick up the bakerloo there. Admittedly you have one of the longer commutes across london but hopefully these are some good alternatives to moving house if you decide to try and reduce car use sometime.
I thought that bikes weren't permitted on public transport before 930am... did I miss a change or did you mean for me to leave the bike at Penge East..

Will be less of an issue if they do extend the bakerloo line to lower sydenham.. walk to lower sydenham and get the bakerloo line all the way to work... sadly many years away. I'll have likely retired by then :D

MET
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Re: Consultation on Proposal to Close Silverdale/Bishopsthorpe Road to traffic

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Parker1970 wrote:
30 Jul 2020 12:43
Mayowthorpe wrote:
30 Jul 2020 12:09
For all those complaining about the additional traffic on Sydenham Road and Mayow Road - the whole point is to encourage people to walk or cycle rather than drive. If you don't like being stuck in your car, think of the alternatives.
My alternative would be...
Train to Clapham Junction
wait for connecting train
Train to Willesden Junciton
wait for connecting train
Bakerloo Line to Stonebridge park
20 min walk to office.
(Around 2 hours in total)

That's not much of an alternative sadly, nor could I cycle from South East to North West London.
The alternative is for me to move home, which I really don't want to do as my family are all in South London.
Sydenham > Canada Water > Baker Street/Swiss Cottage > Stonebridge Park is 60-70 mins. Is it really quicker to drive at rush hour?

Even if you must drive, which of course some people do have to, the roads will be a lot better with fewer cars. Cities have been planned around cars for the last 50-60 years (look at the amount of space given over to car parks, or walk around catford!), this is just about tipping the balance slightly back in favour of pedestrians and cyclists. Cities like Copenhagen, Amsterdam, and now Paris (https://time.com/5864707/paris-green-city-2/) are great examples of how much a city can be improved by this.

MET
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Re: Consultation on Proposal to Close Silverdale/Bishopsthorpe Road to traffic

Post by MET »

MET wrote:
31 Jul 2020 14:09
Parker1970 wrote:
30 Jul 2020 12:43
Mayowthorpe wrote:
30 Jul 2020 12:09
For all those complaining about the additional traffic on Sydenham Road and Mayow Road - the whole point is to encourage people to walk or cycle rather than drive. If you don't like being stuck in your car, think of the alternatives.
My alternative would be...
Train to Clapham Junction
wait for connecting train
Train to Willesden Junciton
wait for connecting train
Bakerloo Line to Stonebridge park
20 min walk to office.
(Around 2 hours in total)

That's not much of an alternative sadly, nor could I cycle from South East to North West London.
The alternative is for me to move home, which I really don't want to do as my family are all in South London.
Sydenham > Canada Water > Baker Street/Swiss Cottage > Stonebridge Park is 60-70 mins. Is it really quicker to drive at rush hour?

Even if you must drive, which of course some people do have to, the roads will be a lot better with fewer cars. Cities have been planned around cars for the last 50-60 years (look at the amount of space given over to car parks, or walk around catford!), this is just about tipping the balance slightly back in favour of pedestrians and cyclists. Cities like Copenhagen, Amsterdam, and now Paris (https://time.com/5864707/paris-green-city-2/) are great examples of how much a city can be improved by this.
I didn't mean this to sound like telling you how to travel, it's obviously none of my business - I just feel like these measures are not the attack on drivers that some people think and are just about making our neighbourhoods more pleasant residents (also I want to know your shortcut through London!).

MET
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Re: Consultation on Proposal to Close Silverdale/Bishopsthorpe Road to traffic

Post by MET »

Also there is a lot of evidence that building more roads only leads to more traffic, not quieter roads. Hopefully reducing through routes has the same effect! And if it fails, it can always change back.

Parker1970
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Location: Kirkdale

Re: Consultation on Proposal to Close Silverdale/Bishopsthorpe Road to traffic

Post by Parker1970 »

MET wrote:
31 Jul 2020 14:19


I didn't mean this to sound like telling you how to travel, it's obviously none of my business - I just feel like these measures are not the attack on drivers that some people think and are just about making our neighbourhoods more pleasant residents (also I want to know your shortcut through London!).
Don't worry, I didn't take it that way :)

Driving is 1 hour on a good day, 1.5 hours on a bad day, but with no stopping, waiting for next train, standing on crowded trains etc. I do also take a colleague with me who lives in Beckenham and drive him home at the end of the day. The reason when we do use a train that we go the route we do, is it avoids Zone 1 so works out a ton cheapear than going via Central London on Public transport.

As for the shortcut.. some have been hampered by the same traffic calming measures we have here, which I discovered when I had to go into the office for the first time last week. I use a lot of back roads, my Dad was a Taxi driver so shortcuts were a plenty :)

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