how to get out of this mess

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Re: how to get out of this mess

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Covid kills half of Sussex care home’s residents over Christmas. A care home in East Sussex has been devastated by Covid, losing half of all its residents to the disease over Christmas, fuelling fears the new, more transmissible virus variant sweeping the south-east of England is beginning to breach homes’ defences.
Some people don't recover
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angela53 wrote: 7 Jan 2021 21:53 I repeat I am not a covid denier however there are many shroud waving doctors who exagerate for the benefit of their departments over other rival departments in their hospital
Where is your proof? Please provide links to justify your claims.
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f4monty wrote: 8 Jan 2021 00:14
angela53 wrote: 7 Jan 2021 21:53 I repeat I am not a covid denier however there are many shroud waving doctors who exagerate for the benefit of their departments over other rival departments in their hospital
Where is your proof? Please provide links to justify your claims.
These clichés are exactly the same as I read on twitter. I blame the media which is fuelling this hatred of expertise and anything that bring us together like the NHS. Divide and conquer combined with misinformation will make it easier to sell off in the post Brexit free for all.

Angela unless you have proof I will consider every statement you make from now on a lie
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syd wrote: 8 Jan 2021 07:27 Angela unless you have proof I will consider every statement you make from now on a lie
It's not the first. Sadly when Angela is confronted with fact she ignores it and comes up with another blooper presumably heard on TrashTalk Radio.

I'm in a vulnerable group. Yep, I 'm afraid of Covid and I know exactly why. But I'm even more afraid of Angela and others spreading disinformation and undermining the public. It gives sustenance to those in government seeking to influence decisions in their interest and not the nation. The result is I'm virtually imprisoned when more enlightened fact based decisions would have had more of us alive and well, damaged the economy less and allowing us all to lead a more normal life for at least some of the time.

There, I've had my say and hope that Angela will begin to realise that disinformation will be challenged hard here (Thank you Syd, Monty et al). So I hope that was your last.

Stuart
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I've heard a lot about claims of increased suicide, with no evidence offered to date.

Here is a chart showing how lockdown impacted on self harm admissions.

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https://twitter.com/john_actuary/status ... 5960855555

And a very interesting illustration of covid compared to previous flu seasons, with regards to icu admissions.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status ... 1303055364

And this is with the measures imposed, which must have had some downward pressure on admissions.
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Re: how to get out of this mess

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stuart wrote: 8 Jan 2021 10:13
syd wrote: 8 Jan 2021 07:27 Angela unless you have proof I will consider every statement you make from now on a lie
It's not the first. Sadly when Angela is confronted with fact she ignores it and comes up with another blooper presumably heard on TrashTalk Radio.

I'm in a vulnerable group. Yep, I 'm afraid of Covid and I know exactly why. But I'm even more afraid of Angela and others spreading disinformation and undermining the public. It gives sustenance to those in government seeking to influence decisions in their interest and not the nation. The result is I'm virtually imprisoned when more enlightened fact based decisions would have had more of us alive and well, damaged the economy less and allowing us all to lead a more normal life for at least some of the time.

There, I've had my say and hope that Angela will begin to realise that disinformation will be challenged hard here (Thank you Syd, Monty et al). So I hope that was your last.

Stuart
Hey no problem Stuart. I had to use all my mental strength to not curse her out!! The news is infection rates in London are now 1 in 20. Its out of control.
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angela53 wrote: 7 Jan 2021 19:41 As an NHS clinical worker, I am not a "covid denier" but I am concerned about the collapse of the economy that pays for the health service. I know several people who have had covid and all have recovered like almost everyone else.
There will be a lot more people dying from missed cancer diagnosis, delayed treatment and not to mention suicide following
business failure. The government have so far got no sense of getting the balance right between health and the economy.
I would love to know where you work as a “NHS clinical worker” for you seem to be working in a parallel universe to all other NHS workers including my own family.
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It is so sad that we are all attacking each other on this forum during these difficult times
Fingers crossed that we get out of this mess before too long and that life gets back to normal
That is all I wish for
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Hi Syd
Jut to let you know I believe you are one of the most sensible commentators on this forum
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Despite the fact we may disagree
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but that is healthy debate
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By the way all my info comes from the office of national statistics
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Re: how to get out of this mess

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London cases are 1 in 15 now thats 3 days since it was 1 in 30. its quite a serious of case of exponential growth but you wouldn't think so with the government’s lacklustre response and the absent opposition.

There should be a lockdown like In March so business is supported and “key workers” are not forced to risk their lives working at b&q ffs.
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Re: how to get out of this mess

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angela53 wrote: 8 Jan 2021 21:52 By the way all my info comes from the office of national statistics
Adam Hamdy in Byline Times wrote:In November, Dr Sarah Rasmussen, a Cambridge University mathematician, complained to the UK Statistics Authority that data by the Office for National Statistics (ONS) about the risk to teachers was “unacceptably – and seemingly intentionally – misleading”.

Evidence showed that some teachers were 28% more likely to catch the Coronavirus than other key workers, but the data was “held up as evidence that teachers were not at any additional risk”. Dr Rasmussen’s subsequent work on this issue suggests that teachers were at an increased risk of infection.

She is one of many experts who have been warning about the transmission of the virus in schools and the risk to teachers and other school staff for months. Yet, the risk has been downplayed by the Government at every turn and the Department for Education has even made public statements about the risk to teachers using outdated and incomplete data.
It requires analysis that is balanced and with a skill set that can interpret data and anticipate and respond in a timely way to outcomes. And avoid being behind the curve, constantly.

Johnson has diminished the norms that Britain’s democracy and governance is built on. Johnson has subverted candid reporting of events in ways not seen by us before. To an extent we cannot see things for what they are and we are being rendered unable to interpret for ourselves what truth exists out there.

Lies, damned lies and statistics are what this Johnson led Government will offer up as its excuse for incompetency in measures unseen in UK political history.

When the Inquiry is held of course.

https://bylinetimes.com/2021/01/06/how- ... d-schools/
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angela53 wrote: 7 Jan 2021 21:53 I repeat I am not a covid denier however there are many shroud waving doctors who exagerate for the benefit of their departments over other rival departments in their hospital
John Burn-Murdoch of the Financial Times produces yet another clear graph that shows historical data on flu ICU admissions back to 2013, including winter 2017-18, a record high.

This shows how England’s Covid winter compares to a bad flu season.

It de-bunks a common response to reports of hospitals struggling this winter is "it’s no different to a bad flu season!"

The red line in the final frames show the huge difference in numbers.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347200811303055364
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Re: how to get out of this mess

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Here is the "hospitals are always full in winter" debunk.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347200855376875523
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Re: how to get out of this mess

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angela53 wrote: 8 Jan 2021 21:52 By the way all my info comes from the office of national statistics
How can you be an NHS clinical worker and have left the UK that you rather smugly (for some reason) put on another thread?

Or is that another Porky?
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Re: how to get out of this mess

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JGD wrote: 11 Jan 2021 08:29 Here is the "hospitals are always full in winter" debunk.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1347200855376875523
Thank you for posting this, it is a scary comparison.
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