If the signage was moulded into the building as with the High Street buildings in Kirkdale as opposed to individual lettering fixed to it then I would agree 100%. But it isn't. What Wooster and Stock are planning, on paper at least, is similar in size material and style to what is there already!marymck wrote:
I'm afraid I completely disagree about the re-branding. The intended Wooster and Stock signage is in my opinion far, far too dominant, especially in a building in such a prominent position. I'm also unsure from the planning applications what colours will be used on the walls.
Cobbs changed their name and yet the sky hasn't fallen in and that signage really is awful (no big arguments about that on here and yet it's possibly one of the most important buildings historically in Sydenham which gave it's name to the roundabout).
Can you honestly say that the signage here:
And the signage here:
are so different? They are both in the same materials, the same size. Or do you object to the current branding of the pub? Surely not?
Instead of following what is already there what do you propose? If I was designing the signage for Wooster & Stock I'd recommend exactly what they are doing, although I'd suggest creating a visual to see how their name will work if they reuse the orignal lettering from the 'woo' part of Woodman. I'd hope that they match the original type of the woodsman (a decent signmaker can do that).
Businesses change, names change. I'm all for preserving history and buildings telling a story, but we have to be realistic. Perhaps we can put a plaque up or a tiled panel (as they type you see in the City of London to denote historical sites) telling the rather lovely Story from Steve about the origins of the name (which I didn't know about).
My main objection is to the removal of the original windows. But buildings change. At least it will still look like a pub, feel like a pub and with the restoration of the tiles continue to be a handsome inhabitat to the street unlike the vast majority of shops in Sydenham.
I think it would be a shame if we objected to traditional materials being used in signage, it's sending out completely the wrong signals.
As I said, I'd prefer it to remain a pub. I loved the Sunday Lunch at the Woodman, I now go to Crystal Palace for Sunday lunch as I'm not a fan of any in Sydenham to date.
As for buildings not being demolished because they are historical, how about the Sydenham Children's hospital, or the Forest hill Pools, The Greyhound (part demolished), Louise House (only saved due to huge campaigns) or a host of other buildings such around London that are no longer with us. If it becomes uneconomical to repair or use a building then it's future looks bleak. I think the Woodman's future looks rosey, but unfortunately not as a pub.