KFC in Savacentre grounds?

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CaptainCarCrash
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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by CaptainCarCrash » 4 May 2012 19:28

rod taylor wrote:
mikecg wrote:Broken Britain? unfettered urban decay?

1M youth unemployed, it'll get a lot worse probably but as I said not all are bad.
Of course they are not all bad, you're right Mikecg. Ultimately kids are just being kids. A lot of kids are probably just the victims of guilt by association. So, as was pointed out earlier in the thread, R n'B music is associated with black people, so street crime is associated with the Gangsta aesthetic.
And gangstas like KFC etc, etc, etc. fractal, mandlebrot julia.

It was the tone, the way in which the information was presented , ffs man. IMO it was dodgy and could piss people off and it did.

But this is pointless so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Dorian » 4 May 2012 21:22

mikecg wrote:It was the tone, the way in which the information was presented , ffs man. IMO it was dodgy and could piss people off and it did.
It didnt " piss people off" either, who understould the point without any racial or preducial intent, some did some didnt. Live with it.

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by CaptainCarCrash » 4 May 2012 22:43

Dorian, I couldn't give a flying f*ck tbh.

Swagger's return has proved his innocence though :lol:

TBH rod seems a little right wing IMO with you trailing behind in second place.

That's just my interpretation though so no big deal.

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by CaptainCarCrash » 4 May 2012 23:57

rod taylor wrote: Maybe you're right, your interpretation IS no big deal.
What if I'm wrong :shock:

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Great Bustard » 5 May 2012 08:46

"Well if you don't know if you're right or wrong why bother coming onto a forum and wasting everyone's time. I thought you were a troll first time you posted. I'm dropping out."

another sad and bitter loser......bit like the odious newt ken

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by CaptainCarCrash » 5 May 2012 08:54

Great Bustard wrote:"Well if you don't know if you're right or wrong why bother coming onto a forum and wasting everyone's time. I thought you were a troll first time you posted. I'm dropping out."

another sad and bitter loser......bit like the odious newt ken
HAHA!

The good news is Ken isn't going to stand at anymore elections, yippee.

:D

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Robin Orton » 5 May 2012 09:38

mikecg wrote:Swagger's return has proved his innocence though :lol:
Has he returned? Where?

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by CaptainCarCrash » 5 May 2012 09:57

Robin Orton wrote:
mikecg wrote:Swagger's return has proved his innocence though :lol:
Has he returned? Where?

He hasn't Robin, exactly my point.

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Robin Orton » 5 May 2012 10:26

mikecg wrote: He hasn't Robin, exactly my point.
Ah, I see, irony. I should have noticed the little yellow smiley face, shouldn't I?

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Annie » 5 May 2012 13:13

mikecg wrote:
The good news is Ken isn't going to stand at anymore elections, yippee.

:D

Yeay!! thank god for that :D

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Great Bustard » 5 May 2012 16:16

"the good news is Ken isn't going to stand at anymore elections, yippee"

he says he'll be able spend more time with his kids......three of which he'd rather you didnt know about !

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Annie » 5 May 2012 17:33

Great Bustard wrote:"the good news is Ken isn't going to stand at anymore elections, yippee"

he says he'll be able spend more time with his kids......three of which he'd rather you didnt know about !


:D

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Rachael » 5 May 2012 17:47

Well, isn't that nice. You've all found something to agree on.

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Annie » 5 May 2012 18:32

I'm soooooo happy! :D

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Great Bustard » 6 May 2012 13:58

turns out the odious newt was good for something after all ! :shock:

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Annie » 6 May 2012 15:19

Great Bustard wrote:turns out the odious newt was good for something after all ! :shock:

Only time will tell :wink:

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Angela S » 6 May 2012 18:20

KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Yes
Annie wrote:Only time will tell
I agree Annie!

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by sfhyouthforum » 8 May 2012 09:54

When I posted on the riots, it had over twenty thousand hits on this forum. I had the BBC World Service call me, was in France's national paper Liberation, interviewed on Canadian breakfast teleivison, was invited to speak on Woman's Hour and my post was shared on over 1,000 people's Facebook and Twitter pages. Everyone was rightly outraged. Pages upon pages of replies on Sydenham Town Forum, just like this thread, but when I talked of solutions, nothing happened.

When I post on here inviting people to attend meetings, or offer some advice on a new community project I am thinking about; when I ask you to give £2 per month to fund small charitable organisations to run positive activities, some of you protest that asking for money isn't the way forward. When I asked if people would volunteer, go to a school and set up a weekly after-school club to teach small children to read where parents are letting them down, nobody stepped forward. I can offer my email again in case you missed it: mel@sfhyoutforum.org.uk. I had one kind lady meet me for a drink and give me feedback on the website and another kind woman keeps the news updated. Two people. But they were not the posters who really need to put their actions where their keyboard is.

For such an active forum, I doubt there is much real democracy going on. What Marie was trying to say was that this talk is no way forward and in many cases it is hostile and divisive, harbouring through the typed word an aggression you denounce in others, mainly youths. I personally asked those same aggressive types to think about being mentors to young people who have no real role models, especially male ones. They could do with some regular contact from people with strong opinions, and who knows, even the likes of Eagle could learn something from pond life.

We can shoot Marie down for trying to explain how low opinions of others won't make the world a better place. But we must admit to ourselves there is nothing to praise in this conversation. ‘Democracy’ and ‘freedom of speech’ are weighty terms and when pitted against this thread should make us ashamed for being pathetic orators, instead we highlight that the inadequacies of our society stem from all of us and our drivel.

Actions certainly speak louder than words and for the past three years I have tried to build up a service for young people and their parents and guardians to see what is going on locally, to show there is always something great to do in Sydenham, and when there isn’t, to ask locals to help pay for services and activities that are not happening by giving a small monthly donation.

The truth is it hasn't happened in the way I hoped. We are about the part-fund a small pilot project training young people at risk of exclusion to learn painting and decorating and to paint the rooms of local people with trained staff. But it is not enough. The Forum gets £37pcm which will go towards the paint, and we can only afford to run three sessions unless we receive funding via a successful application to Sydenham Assembly. But asking the government to always pay is not the answer either: firstly govt shouldn't do everything and secondly the funding simply isn’t there. We need to all muck in.

I thought that this forum was an amazing vibrant place and as soon as I posted the things I was up to, you would all flock to join in because you care so much. There's nothing in it for me. I work 8 hours a week paid, volunteer the rest and my wages is paid through funding applications. I will be 30 this year, and relatives are starting to call me silly for believing in community grass-roots work. “You need to buy a house”. “What about having your own kids?”. But I believe the Gandhi quote: "Be the change you want to see in the world". And I pity the inactive bitter people, not myself. I actually love my work.

All I want, and am interested in, is solutions to make Sydenham a better place. Perhaps I am really idealistic, but what really could and should happen is for you all to club together and think of amazing healthy foods, then hire a community space with a kitchen and set up a 'healthy food club' and invite the RnB types or whoever you were insinuating, to learn the craft of eating healthily. One day a week. I'd sponsor it with my own money. I would volunteer to wash up. You could take the young people to Sainsbury’s and buy the fresh ingredients. Teach them to budget. Read a recipe. This is the debate we need to be having. We need to upload photos of fresh fruit and vegetables not black hooded faces then pretend there wasn’t something in it. It was only “stereotyping” – please.

I am in no doubt everyone on here is capable of making a difference and being a solution. But as we have it right now, this is just as bad a loitering outside a chicken shop eating junk. This is quite literally junk mail. There is nothing of a positive contribution or a healthy debate and take responsibility for it. It's the number one rule for working with teenagers: help teach them they must own their actions. Own your words, and your inaction.

And for the kind folk out there who are new to this place and want to do some small amount of volunteering, come and visit me. I am in the office most Tuesdays or Thursdays. I promise volunteering for us won't be taxing and you'll love it! Or visit our website: http://www.sfhyouthforum.org.uk.

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Annie » 8 May 2012 11:44

You are right of course,I have agreed to donate £2.00 a month, its not much,but every little helps-I hope :)

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Re: KFC in Savacentre grounds?

Post by Maria » 8 May 2012 12:34

Count me in for the monthly contribution too.

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